Nevertheless To Avoid Fornication ...

Nevertheless To Avoid Fornication ...
There are some who profess to be true believers and yet they do not follow the teachings of The One they claim as their Lord and Savior. There are others who are non-believers who are just curious about these peculiar people who seem to be willing to give up on all the joys of this world without really having any confirmation that there is a next world where the inhabitants dwell in peace and righteousness.

RE: Divorce, cohabiting and remarriage, I would like to make 3 points which I hope and pray will clarify any misunderstanding for the non-believer. The believer should already know this.

  • Point 1: Jesus Christ doesn't FORCE anybody to become His disciple.

  • Point 2: If you're going to be a follower or disciple, then BE ONE!
    Conversion to Christianity is not “cafeteria-style”. You can't pick this plate, this dish, that drink and then say “Oh no! I don't want to eat that! I don't care what Jesus said! I disagree with His teachings but I still want to be His follower.” That's not how it works.
In a nutshell.

  • Jesus came to earth, accomplished His mission, left the gospel message in earthen vessels (His believers), His message has not been revised nor does anyone on earth have the Authority to change His Word. That includes the pope. When He returns, He will judge the faithful.
So! You either talk the talk AND walk the walk AND be Christ-like OR don't say that you're a Christian and don't follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

WHY? Because …

  • Point 3: WOES were pronounced on HYPOCRITES!
With regards to the teachings on sex, love, and marriage, what Jesus taught was simple, albeit hard for many to accept. Sexual desires are strong but they are not uncontrollable.

Jesus taught His disciples:

  • Do not fornicate. Get married and have sex with your own mate.
  • If one of the members of the marriage union commits an act of adultery, divorce and remarriage are allowed, for the faithful party who was wronged. The party who was wronged may also forgive their mate for the infidelity and stayed married!
  • If for reasons other than adultery, the marital union is dissolved, neither of the partners are allowed to remarry, unless one of them dies.
  • If a mate dies, adultery or no adultery, the living spouse (the widow or widower) can remarry.
If you say are a Christian, you don't get to rewrite Jesus teachings if you don't agree because, you think they're unreasonable for modern times, or they're inconvenient for the way you want to live your life or _____ (fill in the blank).

This bears repeating.

  • Point 1: Jesus Christ doesn't FORCE anybody to become His disciple.
However, if you decided to put on Christ of your own free will, then you also decided that you would OBEY HIS COMMANDS.

You can't be a faithful follower and an unfaithful follower simultaneously.

The teachings of Jesus on fornication, marriage, divorce, and remarriage are PLAIN. If you're a Christian, you will obey them. If you don't choose to be a faithful disciple, then you'll do whatever you want to do.

As for how your service to the King will be judged on Judgment Day? Take your chances. Wait and see. CAUTION: If you were wrong, it will be too late to backtrack and fix things. The judgment is final.

Repeating this statement one more time for the sake of emphasis.

  • Point 1: Jesus Christ doesn't FORCE anybody to become His disciple.
I'm a believer. If you don't believe any of this, that's your choice. But I can't really think of anything else to say regarding this matter to clear up anyone's confusion other than read and learn the teachings of Christ for yourself.



Related Discussion:

Divorced, cohabiting and remarried should not receive communion

Comments

Kakashi2020
During our Lord's time people who commits adultery were actually stoned to death. I know it's harsh but that was the norm. I didn't know that there was divorce in those times. What I read in the Bible is if a Married Man dies, his unmarried brother will be the one to marry his wife. Fornication back then means having an adulterous relationship and having premarital sex. Gay Men and Lesbians who are caught engaging in fornication where also stoned to death. Im just curious was there any teachings against paying the services of a prostitute or harlot?
Posted by Kakashi2020 on 03-08-2018
vinaya
Fornication was not accepted in the past and it is also not accepted in the present. However, times have changed. What was termed Fornication in the past may no longer be called Fornication? For example, these days it is very common for people to stay together witout actually getting married. This is called living relationship now, however, in the past it was Fornication.
Posted by vinaya on 04-10-2018
jaymish
@Kakashi2020 I like your spin on fornication, it's very convenient!Is this deliberate mis-interpretation or selective amnesia? I understand fornication in the bible to mean having sex before your married. Does this teaching even apply anymore? As rightly pointed out in the bible people were stoned for adultery. I think Jesus comment 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' put's this all in perspective for me. Everybody these days fornicates. The belief of most Christians is that your sin is forgiven automatically because Jesus died on the cross for you. However I do think avoiding fornication is for your own protection. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free!
Posted by jaymish on 03-08-2018
mildredtabitha
The teaching doesn't have to apply anymore but Bible teachings haven't changed and they are laws to guide us on earth today. Your last statement is a quote started by a human being and it encourages fornication.

I doubt if avoiding it is for protecting yourself. It just saves you from committing a sin that you would regret for the rest of your life.
Posted by mildredtabitha on 03-26-2018
babyright
you cannot be forced to commit fornication but you can control or resist it if you allow the spirit of Christ to control you.
Posted by babyright on 03-08-2018
JB Fernandez
Hi. I'm just a bit confused. Most of the people is you cannot actually resist it, what you really need to do is to turn it down and don't get yourself in a situation that you will be tempted. My question is, how will I allow the spirit of our God to control me?
Posted by JB Fernandez on 03-20-2018
vinaya
You don't have to be religiously motivated person for avoiding fornication. You might be an unbeliever yet may never commit fornication or other sins. All you need to be is ethically and morally correct. Ethics and morality are not associated with religion.
Posted by vinaya on 04-10-2018
emiaj55
I agree. These days those who were ordained to keep and guide the faithful are those that falls to sin. A lot of priests and bishops are scandalous and partake into action of fornication and sex abuses related to homosexuality. The teachings of the Lord have not changed, and yet these men delude themselves into thinking that they are doing the Lord'd will when if fact they are misleading the faithful. It is not enough to know the teachings, you must also have morals to uphold. And people with morals to uphold may not need the teaching just to know that what is wrong is wrong, no matter how you feel about it.
Posted by emiaj55 on 12-05-2018
NerdIndeed
Amen to that. The best cure is prevention. It all starts with your thought process so as long as you think well and get yourself away from such temptations, it will be all right.
Posted by NerdIndeed on 11-11-2018
Barida
This is a delicate matter that we should really look at from all angles of life. The thing with having sex outside marriage is that some do it not because that is the aim, but as a result of the fact that they can't resist this urge to have sex. Also, we need to see the need for the Holy Spirit to be in us in order to give us that power to be able to overcome premarital sex for that is something that we can't achieve as normal human beings. To be prayerful always is one key way that we can use to make that a possibility.
Posted by Barida on 03-08-2018
lovely
I totally support your views if we truly love someone we will heed to their command same here in Christiandom,we must abide by the law of God no formication and no adultery no matter what we feel is or are the reasons. We must obey God's injunction and flee from.them they way we will be able to o stand before God.
Posted by lovely on 03-08-2018
MomoStarr16
I support everything you had stated there. We both have same point of view. God gave us free will and will never force us to do what He want for us. He is just always their giving us a chance to live this life righteously. If you want to be bad then you may, but if you want to follow Jesus it will be more profitable for you.
Posted by MomoStarr16 on 03-09-2018
Kakashi2020
@jaymish I would like to point out one flaw or misconcepcion on the Christian teaching of all sins are forgiven since Jesus Christ died on the cross. If you would study and delve deeper you would find out that this pertains to the Original Sin. If a person commits a sin isn't it to convenient that all is forgiven without any repercussions? In my opinion based on my personal studies as a Catholic Christian when a person commits sin and asks forgiveness, he is forgiven but never absolved, he will face the consequences of his actions on judgement day. Plainly said it's like Karma or cause and effect, if you did something wrong then it will come back to you, unless if you repent and pay for your sins here on earth. So all those so called Christians who keep on committing sins and praying for forgiveness afterwards then committing the same sins again good luck your not of the hook yet.
Posted by Kakashi2020 on 03-09-2018
Kakashi2020
I have a question with regards to fornication for those who are adept in the Christian Religion ...Having sexual relationships outside of marriage is considered as fornication. Having sexual relationships with the same sex is fornication and an abomination. Having consensual sex in and out of marriage is considered as fornication. How about paying for sex? Let me define it further, Is paying for the sexual services of a Prostitute or Harlot a sin or not? Im just asking this question because I dont really know the answer. I've read the Bible several times and I can't seem to find the answer. So if someone could help answer the question sighting some Bible verse then thanks.
Posted by Kakashi2020 on 03-09-2018
Emmaz
My opinion on this matter would seem off but I'm still going to give it. When it comes to fornication, a lot of people preach against it even the so called pastors and Rev. Fathers but they all still go behind and commit the sin of fornication. What does this teach? Our supposed role model still fall to the sin and come in front of us to preach and look holy. Fornication can never be stopped no matter the amount of preaching done on the subject, I would be bold enough to admit that I have done this and not ashamed of it. What I'm truly against is adultery. If you are married, please stick with your partner and don't go outside looking for sex with young opposite sex.
Posted by Emmaz on 03-09-2018
Corzhens
This discussion clearly means that pre-marital sex does not conform with the teachings of Christian religions which are based on the Bible. In the olden days, marriage was one of the most sacred until society had changed to be permissive with the gender that gays surfaced and later marriage seemed to have lost its popularity. Where before it was a mortal sin for a single girl to be pregnant, now it is even an honor because I have seen their posts in Facebook that they are pregnant and soon to be a single mother.
Posted by Corzhens on 03-09-2018
vinaya
Whether you are a believer or an atheist, you must believe that fornication is unethical. I am a Hindu and I will explain this according to Hindu principles. In Hinduism, fornication is strictly banned for women as well as men. The men and women who are not loyal to their spouses are sinners and they will go to hell. Hinduism emphasize on loyalty to the spouse.
Posted by vinaya on 03-11-2018
Denis_P
I believe that everyone is entitled to their own views and have a right to practice them so long as they do no harm to others. That being said, my views towards the topic of fornication are contrary to that of conservative Christian views. I'm a Buddhist, and we abide by Five Precepts, the third of which is to not engage in sexual misconduct. While it is a topic of debate, most Buddhists agree that sexual misconduct encompasses any behavior that causes direct or indirect harm through sexuality. If two partners have safe, consensual sex despite not being married, then I honestly don't understand how any harm is being done. I don't see how cohabiting does harm either. Adultery is out of the question though, as the harm done there is clear as day.
Posted by Denis_P on 03-12-2018
vinaya
I think religious scriptures need new interpretations. The Bible was written 6th century BC. The society has evolved differently. Therefore, everything written in scriptures cannot be followed properly. Bible discouraged homosexuality, remarriage, divorce etc. However, these are the realities of our world. We cannot avoid these ideas. Adultry is bad, however, I also do not see any problems when two people live as a couple even if they are not married.
Posted by vinaya on 03-22-2018
NickJ
I think the only major relationship sin is cheating or adultery. If you're feeling like you want to step outside of a relationship for some reason, then you should end it before you do.
Posted by NickJ on 03-13-2018
chatbox
There are still cultures that value chastity before marriage and there are still parents who teach their children not to engage in premarital sex or any forms of fornication. And yes, I believe that if you are a Christian, you should adhere to the teachings of Jesus Christ, even if that means going against the dictates of society. Our body, being made in the likeness of God, is a sacred temple. It should never be abused or disrespected. The teachings against fornication, as all other laws laid down by God, are for man's benefits. Just think of how many diseases, problems, and even premature deaths could have been averted if people simply adhered to the teachings against fornication.
Posted by chatbox on 03-17-2018
vinaya
I am a Hindu and in Hindu culture chastity before marriage is highly valued. If the man or woman is known to have a physical relationship before marriage, it will be difficult for him to get married. In the early times, when marriage happened at early age, it was easy to maintain chastity. However, these days when people are getting married not later than 30 years, it will be difficult for an adult man/woman to remain chaste. The societal norms have changed and it is difficult to interpret everything according to the theologies written thousands of years ago.
Posted by vinaya on 03-22-2018
chatbox
It may be difficult but it is certainly not impossible to remain chaste in these modern times. I know it is a lot easier for women than it is for men but there are still people who hold on to their faith and preserve themselves for marriage. While some laws may have been relaxed to accommodate man's needs and wants, the truths stated in the bible will remain the same and it is our duty as Christians to make sure that our families adhere to those teachings. Although man will try to twist and circumvent the rules to suit his preferences, the teachings in the bible and the truth will never change.
Posted by chatbox on 09-17-2018
mildredtabitha
I believe it too especially point number one. It's so sad that we live in a time where everyone will judge your actions and out pressure on you when you are really doing your best to follow the Bible's teachings. I also agree with the order of marriage first then sex. No one teaches anyone the consequences of fornicating but I have lived to see close people pay for it every day.

You also mentioned that no one can go back if they already made the mistake but I believe they can forgive themselves and pray to God for forgiveness and choose to live righteously from that time onwards.

I would also like you to share the verses of the Bible that explains about cheating, marriage and divorce please. Thanks in advance
Posted by mildredtabitha on 03-26-2018
JMS
It is said that marriage was first invented by the sister-bride of Osiris. Osiris still laid with other women but his sister, Aset was chosen as his consort. They stood in front of their family and friends and swore oaths to each other to commit to each other for all their lives. Then they celebrated. They had become what we call man and wife. it was a union. The idea of a union is to go forth and multiply. There have been various times throughout different epochs where mankind has been very loose with intimate enjoyment.

When Osiris lay with his second sister Nephthys, they bore a son Anubis. Aset wasn't bothered that her man had made a child with another woman. Even though she was not his recognised consort. It depends how you want to define fornication. Think back to the Roman times when it was rife and everyone was attending orgies. All Jesus did was give a guidance on how we should behave.
Posted by JMS on 03-27-2018
ZevJabo
I believe and have held the value of purity before a woman and a man get married to become husband and wife. The Sriptural mandate prohibiting fornicationn between man and woman who are not married to each other still applies in our modern day matrimony and sexuality-- no matter what we think in the 21st century. Also, having sexual relation with the same sex gender is also wrong and unnatural (Leviticus).

It can be done. My daughter and her husband saved their first kiss and touch on their wedding day.
Posted by ZevJabo on 03-31-2018
foxchannel
All of the statements presented in this discussion are based on the teachings of Jesus which are written and commonly referred to as the New Testament scriptures.

The teachings about fornication are not just about “how to” engage in physical sexual relations. It's about purity, living a life that is sacred and holy, being pure not just in body but in mind and soul.

“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.” Matt 5:8

Wisdom comes from God and He does not withhold truth and light from those who seek knowledge and understanding.

“But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy.” James 3:17

I encourage you all who are seeking more clarification and have questions and you want answers, search and study the scriptures for yourself.
Posted by foxchannel on 04-05-2018
ballyhara
Well, my opinion, if everyone that has fornicated, living together out of marriage, divorced and re married, are going to hell, then that's going to be the heck of a long line there! Come on people let's face it. Mostly everyone here has had sex before marriage, or have a non married relationship. And that doesn't mean that I don't believe in Jesus, that I don't thank the Lord everyday for all He does for me and my family. We live our life through things and laws that were imposed by men for other men. We are humans and sometimes we make mistakes, but Jesus knows when we are truly evil or not, and that's what matters to me, not what a religion says.
Posted by ballyhara on 05-22-2018
Martinsx
According to Christian religion, fornication is a sin and it's being preached against to avoid getting entangled with the sin of fornication. But the question is can it be possible to stop having sex before one is married? Some would say yes while some would say no. Perhaps, my resolutions would be that it depends on if one has had sex for the first time and if yes, it would be impossible to stop fornicating.
Posted by Martinsx on 05-28-2018
jyy
Of course, according to strict Bible teaching "living together" is fortification. However, though, now it seems like casual love making with strangers. In other words, it would be one-night stands, swinging, or visiting prostitutes.

Anyway, though, I don't see the big deal with getting married, and the fact two people don't shows maybe they don't love each other enough or there is some fear thing going on. For instance, let's say you lived in a racist area and dated out of your race. Well, you might be shy to get married cause it would be in the paper etc..
Posted by jyy on 07-13-2018
Chinet23
You definitely nailed it. What the bible teaches about these things, FORNICATION, ADULTERY and DIVORCE are plain and simple. I agree that if we profess that we are Christians but do not live according to God's teaching, we are then hypocrites because we do not walk the talk.

Sexual sins are common even to those who called themselves Christians because they are rather selective and only listen to what they're itching ears want to hear. Our God recognizes our fallen nature- our strong urges because we are sexual beings. That's the reason why the bible doesn't tell us to fight our urges or temptation but instead to flee from them. 2 Timothy 2:22 says, "Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart". Other versions specifically state youthful lusts.

I understand that this was intended for believers or else we will appear to be too rigid or caught up with ourselves, the "holier than thou" complex. Hence, we understand the grace and forgiveness of God. We really have to offer our lives and repent. "He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it", Philippians 1:6 gives us the confidence and the promise if you belong to Him.
Posted by Chinet23 on 07-26-2018
stbrians
Adultery and fornication are acts of the flesh. They do happen because many people do not know how to refrain from this vice. They are disciples of Jesus but the devil uses the flesh to deny them of the kingdom.

Instead of condemning them we should pray for them and try to advice them through bible verses. The devil is hovering everywhere seeking any person to devour.
Posted by stbrians on 08-29-2018
NerdIndeed
I couldn't agree more. However, we also need to understand that people are humans too, and the temptation to sin is just so hard to ignore sometimes.
Posted by NerdIndeed on 11-11-2018
Anonymous
Flee fornication and not fight. We must avoid it. God will help us when we to Him. Thanks be to God for He has given us the victory over fornication.
Posted by Anonymous on 09-08-2018
NerdIndeed
Let's pray for those who have committed sins of fornication and hope they change for the better.
Posted by NerdIndeed on 11-11-2018
jeffreyjose48
Flee fornication and not fight over it. We must avoid it. God will help us when we to Him. Thanks be to God for He has given us the victory over fornication.
Posted by jeffreyjose48 on 09-08-2018
HappyLady
God has exalted His Word above His name and the Bible teaching on sex before marriage is pretty clear. Psalm 138:21 and the grace to be obedient is there for all believers. It is a tough thing in the present age to follow what many now see as an old-fashioned paradigm, but obedience to Christ is not a choice but a love necessity for believers. Teachers of the Word need not just to say that we must flee fornication, but also to explain the spiritual reasons behind it and be aware that Jesus ministered to a woman caught in adultery.
Posted by HappyLady on 10-10-2018
jetselle
it is certainly pleasant for guys and no longer for women. with out digging through the specific references on this factor, ladies had been chattel. after all, the Commandments placed them with different portions of assets. a bit of assets can be degraded, and women who've sex earlier than marriage in Biblical terms are 'used'. i am so not condoning this point of view via the way, simply mentioning that the Bible is absolutely sexist.
Posted by jetselle on 10-12-2018
NerdIndeed
Here is how I overcame and still overcome sexual sin every day. Worship and prayer, entering into Gods Presence. When I first started, I had a lot of temptations, and I would fall into sin because I would run to pornography or to have sex instead of running to my secret place and entering his presence. When I began worshipping and praying when I had strong temptations, it would rip them away. His presence burns every sin. Fasting will help with those long-term addictions as well.?
Posted by NerdIndeed on 11-11-2018
mosesoscar
This issue of people choosing what and what area of their live they will obey Christ on, and the ones they won't obey Christ is a serious one. Majority of us live this way, Christ can have a say in this part of our lives while we deny Him rule over this other part our live. Adultery seems to be the very part of our lives which, we of today, have refused christ a say in. With the way explicit sexual images and video are being pushed to our faces and the way we are making it appear as if there's not a single thing wrong with sex before/outside marriage, we find ourselves easily letting the society interpret scriptures for us, letting is not to live in accordance with the tru teachings of the scripture.

We were not forced to be Christians, matter of fact, God is not a fan of duress, this was why even in the garden He had to make Adam and Eve choose to or not to obey Him. And same is true when it comes to being a Christian, loving God is a choice; and if you choose to, it should follow that you live in accordance with what He mandates. If you do otherwise, your love should be hold in dispute
Posted by mosesoscar on 12-02-2018
stbrians
One must have ethical and right moral standards to avoid fornication...remarrying isn't wrong if that would help not have sexual sin..sexual urge pushes a lot of people into sin...
Posted by stbrians on 12-05-2018
Yumyan
Preach!! It's all written in the new testament. It's just so sad to see many people to go to church just for the sake of their image or that they were supposed to go because they had to. Has anyone really wanted to go just to Praise our Lord, Jesus. It's quite uncommon nowadays. Whenever in temptation, just pray and pray. Pray for it to leave you. It will be hard, I know, I have been through it and I have failed many times. Just ask for forgiveness.. But be sincere and you will be.
Posted by Yumyan on 12-10-2018
jessie271
To avoid Fornication, be filled with the Spirit. Be Spirit-filled and walk in the Spirit! It's simple as that! Because if you are Spirit-filled, you can refrain yourself from sinning against God because the Holy Spirit is the One who is in control of you and not yourself and your flesh. The flesh and the Spirit are enemies. If you are carnal, you are more vulnerable to sin. Remember that the flesh is weak, unless we are Spirit-filled as Christians, we cannot win over our flesh.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Posted by jessie271 on 12-12-2018