Tax avoiders/drug dealers need to get less time

Tax avoiders/drug dealers need to get less time
I just read an article about the rapper DMX who could be looking at 44 years behind bars in the United States of America due to tax avoidance. Now that is absolutely disgusting to be honest. And the problem is, chances are DMX will pay a massive fine like Messi did and get off freely without having to do any time behind bars. But what about someone that doesn't have millions or is poor. Isn't it unfair that they will have to do such a long period of time in prison because they cannot pay a "bribe". Tax avoiders, and drug dealers in a similar sense should get a lot less time because murderers get less. Why is it that the government see tax avoidance as something 10 times worse than murdering an innocent person?

Agree

Zyni

It's all about the money...

Bank robbers get more time than those who commit heinous, violent crimes as well. Money should never have more importance than people, if you ask me.

Now, in the case of ripping off a bunch of people's pension funds or something, it's not just about money. It hurts a lot of people personally. In that case, I think the punishment should be harsher. And, no "country club" prisons either.

Posted by Zyni on 07-15-2017
Sue

I agree

Our laws aren't near as strick in our country and it is there. Nobody would get that much time for not paying their taxes. Then again people don't get as much time for murder either. There are a lot of cases where criminals should get more time for the crimes that they committed.

The times should definitely be reduced in your country try. That is ridiculous.

Posted by Sue on 07-15-2017
JaiGuru

For Profit Prison System

While I agree with this, meaningful change is impossible until we as a society demand the for-profit prison system be dismantled. In a world where the lobbyist is the politician, there's not even a superficial separation between power and money. So long as it is profitable for an elite few to have people incarcerated there will always be laws that makes offenses which should not be punishable by prison set up to put people there. And the American people are complicit in this! All over the nation a foolish "tough on crime" can be heard chanting at political rallies and on news websites. If "tough on crime" actually worked this would be the safest western nation on the planet as we have some of the most draconian punishment laws anywhere. We have the most people in prison per capita of ANY developed nation. This isn't justice, it's a modern form of economic slavery.
Posted by JaiGuru on 07-15-2017
fushius

It's a system that benefits the government

For regular people, these petty crimes don't seem like much, but government uses it to their own gain. I won't get into the whole privatized prison system that US has which is beyond messed up to me, but they do seem to have an incentive to jail people for small crimes. While I agree that yes, both are crimes and should be punished, I find it ridiculous that a man can get 2 years in prison for being high while a person driving drunk gets community service.
Posted by fushius on 07-15-2017

Disagree

Alexa

A crime is a crime

The thing is tax avoidance wasn't a crime before, but it is now. The prosecution must show intent, but in the case of celebrities often it is the accountants who sell them ideas and they just go along with it.

Drug dealers get off? No, they are the ones that enable the trade to exist. Once you have a friend who has been addicted and nearly died you will think twice about drug dealers. My friend lived next door to one, and let's say it was not a safe thing.

Posted by Alexa on 07-15-2017
limberg

Why did you include drug dealers in the mix?

The term you should have used is tax evasion and not tax avoidance. Tax avoidance is trying to minimize taxes legally while tax evasion is they illegal way of reducing taxes. I do agree that tax evaders should get less jail time. But for drug dealers? Are you serious about this?.?

Illegal Drug dealers destroy thousands of lives. Not just one. Thousands. Why should they get less jail time? These bastards get money by ruining the lives of others - young and old alike. They shouldn't be given any special treatment by the law. Also, would the general public benefit of you shorten the sentence of drug dealers? The answer is no.

Posted by limberg on 07-16-2017
BigDreamer

Why get less time

Why should they get less time? You know you are committing a crime by not paying taxes so it you do it deliberately then you should be punished.
Posted by BigDreamer on 07-17-2017
galegatling

Why include Tax evaders?

I don't think they should be grouped together when it comes to doing the time. I think it should depend on how much taxes they have evaded. They could spend the time or pay the total amount of taxes + interest + bail.

Drug dealing is a serious crime. It should be grouped with rape and murder. You entered the game, you should suffer the consequences.

Posted by galegatling on 07-16-2017
airfightermax

They did this to themselves.

Surely they knew the repurcussions of such acts before they committed them? These people are adults. They know what they are doing and they should pay for all the crimes they have committed. If we don't enforce the law strictly, people would see that the government can't do anything about it and that they might as well avoid taxes too.
Posted by airfightermax on 07-16-2017
Westbay

No!!

I can't agree to this, it's meaningless if I put in hours of work and get paid after tax no one I mean no other person should avoid it we are in this system together so let's face it together when I see the so called big shots get accused of not paying tax I look at myself and ask am I some kinda monkey who just keeps working, obeying the rules and someone out there is playing smart, what's wrong is wrong and about drug people if you haven't seen drug ruin a life before don't be quick to judge drug dealers are heartless they know nothing but to ruin lives.
Posted by Westbay on 07-16-2017
Deathisue

No

A crime is a crime, there are rules already imposed and we will all know what will happen to us if we do, so that kind of condemnation and that kind of treatment towards them, I'm sorry but that's the way things are, or you commit a crime or not, its simple.
Posted by Deathisue on 07-19-2017
Eggy216

Do the crime, do the time.

While I think it's a stretch to try and pull these two in with one another, I believe they both should be left serving long prison sentences for their actions. While, like you said, the rich are able to pay to get off from their sentences - isn't the greater issue that they shouldn't be able to pay to get out of their sentences?
Posted by Eggy216 on 07-15-2017
Marvadaum

No pardon

I don't think they should change the time at all. What if it becomes a trend? Soon people found guilty of more severe crimes might claim that their time should be reduced too. No, when a person commits a crime he should be fully aware of the consequences of his actions. If he's caught and convicted too bad.
Posted by Marvadaum on 07-17-2017

Comments

kgord
Some people fail to pay their fair share of taxes because they can't afford it, not because they want to do something wrong. I think to put them on par with someone who has committed a violent crime is not only wrong, but it criminal in itself.
Posted by kgord on 07-15-2017
freebird37
I think all crimes should be judged according to their threat to society. Giving someone 40 plus years for tax evasion is extreme to say the least. I think repeated drug dealers should get a considerable amount of time because they are a danger to society, they're putting drugs out there that can kill people, and at the least cause addiction which leads to all kinds of problems. I don't think they should get more than like 5 years if they're not violent. I think only violent offenders should get a lot of years. Yes people should be punished but the punishment should fit the crime. Throwing a non-violent criminal in prison for decades only cost tax-payers money to feed and house them. I'm going to mention here that I just read and interesting article that prisons actually make money for keeping prisoners in their prisons so that could be a reason why some are punished to such an extreme.
Posted by freebird37 on 07-15-2017
arachnophobik
I agree on one side and disagree with the other. I think the tax avoiders should definitely get less time, but the drug dealers should not, especially meth. These people may not know it, but they contributed to thousands of ruined lives by selling those drugs. Sure, one's actions cannot be blamed on them, but if they hadn't sold those drugs in the first place (which is not even a necessity), then the mess wouldn't have been made. Lives were lost, dreams are ruined because of these drugs that have no use for humanity but to give a temporary high.
Posted by arachnophobik on 07-15-2017
sspi
Yes I agree with you to a certain extent. Unfortunately certain sentences are not reasonable. Obviously punishment is needed to try to regulate what people do and what crimes are committed. However as you said the length of time some people spend in prison is just too much when compared to what others spend for more serious crimes such as murder.
Posted by sspi on 07-15-2017
vinaya
That's not a case every where. In our home country a murder can get life time imprisonment and confiscating of his entire property. Usually life imprisonment means 20 years behind the bar. A drug dealer or tax evader gets less severe punishment. A maximum of 6 years behind bars. In our country, a rich person is never excluded from punishment just because he has a lot of money. Even the ministers have been jailed for embezzlement and tax fraud.
Posted by vinaya on 07-15-2017
lilac123
I agree that a lot of the sentences are unfair. Some drug dealers/tax avoiders don't get so much time in jail whereas others get decades in jail which I don't understand, because essentially the same crime was committed but the sentences are so different. I agree that it's ridiculous that drug dealers can get longer sentences than murderers in some cases. Although I think tax avoiders and drug dealers need to be punished, I think the punishment needs to fit the crime and right now a lot of sentences seem quite arbitrary and do not accurate reflect the crime that was committed.
Posted by lilac123 on 07-15-2017
morgoodie
I understand that criminals need to pay for their crimes but when the time does not fit the crime then there is something wrong with the system. Why should someone who is charged for tax evasion get more than 40 years when sometimes violent criminals do not get that much? Tax evasion should get time in jail but they also need to pay the money they owe in taxes especially those that can afford to pay.
Posted by morgoodie on 07-15-2017
overcast
I think most of the govt officials already know who they are and what they do instead is let them go. And some of the times they even let the govt official work for them. And this means it can be possible that in some cases they may never get arrested. And some of the time they can have their fair share of the issues in them. I have found that it's better not to get included into this if we are to be serious.
Posted by overcast on 07-16-2017
maria_c
I saw hot debate yesterday on quota.com, someone wrote a murderer was given a jail sentence with all the amenities he could have, even allowed to get married. Some agreed to no death sentence to murderers. Well, the state and it's laws would always favor the rich. Get used to that and hustle hard.
Posted by maria_c on 07-16-2017
Mehano
Wow... The United States must have some very strict laws over there. Ours is nothing like that, haha. We have famous people and politicians that are completely corrupt, don't pay taxes, steal and still don't go to jail. Our court system is horrible. So generalizing a statement that tax avoiders and drug dealers should get less time isn't good. Perhaps in America but here the time that they should be serving is pretty justified. Also, I don't know why you are mentioning those two crimes together. For me personally, drug dealers are much worse and deserve stricter punishments than tax avoiders.
Posted by Mehano on 07-16-2017
reginafalange
I agree tax avoiders get a lot of time considering they didn't hurt anyone directly. They hurt the state by not giving it the money. Their punishment should be mostly working for the state to make up for what they have taken. Drug dealers, however, damage lives of people who take drugs and they can contribute to people's sicknesses or even death. They deserve imprisonment.
Posted by reginafalange on 07-18-2017
lovely
I totally agree with your analogy, the issue is not for them not to imprisoned but why the long duration of time.Offenders being imprisoned alone should teach others lesson if it about teaching other a lesson but proposing and actually carried out a law of imprisoning offenders of this almost minor offense jail term of 44 years is killing an with a heavy log of wood.SO YES, the jail term should be less for evaders, not drugs dealers jail term.
Posted by lovely on 09-08-2017