The problem with letting migrant refugees in

The problem with letting migrant refugees in
As many of you may be aware, wars have resulted in a lot of refugees attempting to enter Europe and other neighboring countries. Most prominently, they have been paying massive amounts to smugglers, then travel in boats to European countries in the hope of a better life. The problem is that a lot of these people trying this are people that are either from perfectly safe countries or large amounts of men. And this is why people in European countries are against letting refugees into their countries and I agree. Recently, there has been a massive rise in crime committed by these refugees and with the current threat level in several countries, it is just unsafe right now to let refugees into the country. I'm all for helping out people but the people that are taking advantage of this and coming over here are ruining the chance for innocent families. What do you guys think about this issue?

Agree

centurion

If the refugees come by war- than allow please

If the refuges are coming from several countries to Europe- than kindly allow them. But if they come without any legal reason than increase the police check post and set up the police check post with jail on there so that refugees can not enter your country and as a rich country (Basically Europeans are rich) send them all to jail by the country laws for illegal interfere or for bearings drugs.

Thanks Centurion

Posted by centurion on 07-09-2017
Neiltarquin

Be safe

Let them in, safety and security was already been deprived from them. Are we that heartless to not let them feel safe again. To give them a bit of hope that they can survuve the ordeal. All of those victims didn't ask for this to happen. They are victims of an unfortunate event and given a chance that they can go back to live in their own land, they would definitely do that. Provide the the assurance that everything is safe and they can live quietly.
Posted by Neiltarquin on 07-09-2017
StolenKid

Global problem.

Ok, let's accept that not all refugees are bad people, but read the "not all" that implies that THERE ARE bad people among those good people, just saying, you gotta be careful and know well who's going to your country.
Posted by StolenKid on 07-10-2017
zeedollar

Allow them in!

Do you care to swap places with these refugees. Imagine its you country that is at war, will you just seat put and wait for death? or rather run to the safest place you think possible?
Posted by zeedollar on 07-09-2017
Wubwub

complicated

I think this is complicated since it also depends on the type of people trying to get in. Countries should be allowed to protect their own home and if migrants might ruin the flow they have then by all means it should at least be considered how to compromise. I think this is a complicated issue because there really is a chance of the country changing negatively very drastically if this isn't handled delicately.
Posted by Wubwub on 12-14-2018

Disagree

JaiGuru

Framing the argument

I would argue the anti-refugee stance suffers the same sorts of problems as the race debates in the US. Now let me be absolutely clear, here; I am accusing nobody of racism. This is not the race card being played.

However, when having discussion about crime rates among various groups we tend to focus on race or nationality when really the conversation should be framed as a socio-economic issue. Europe has the problems it does with migrants for some of the same reason the US has a problem with crime in the African American communities, and that is because it has a very sub-standard way of dealing with poverty. Like many poor African Americans, the migrants are impoverished to the point of desperation and there's no mechanism in place to fix this. Crime rates and poverty trend hand in hand when you look at large scale population data. When you factor in that many of these migrants are really refugees, and that they come from a part of the world that is culturally about as different from the west as you can be, you have a recipe for disaster that the host country has failed to prepare for.

So, for me, the problem with the migrants is more that we've failed to create meaningful avenues for assimilation and fostered economies that are not capable of propping up a middle class. The issue isn't about "migrants", it's about money and politics.

Posted by JaiGuru on 07-09-2017
Alexa

The problem has been getting worse

There is a difference between migrants and refugees though; migrants are allowed to travel freely, but some obtain citizenship in countries such as France and Italy first. The problem is many use fake identities and they are hard to track down.

They have contributed to more crime, and because the police don't share resources across the borders unless asked (how can you ask when you don't know?) it makes it harder to track down criminals that have moved across the borders.

I do feel there needs to be stricter rules, and I know people will cry 'human rights' but what about the rights of the citizens? Don't they deserve to live in a safe environment?

Posted by Alexa on 07-09-2017
Happyflowerlady

There is a huge difference between a refugee and a

I think that what the problem is with this, is that the people who are coming to other countries, claiming to be refugees, are mostly young, strong men. Where are the women and children ? This is who the refugees should be, and the young men of military age should be defending their own country and not running away and leaving the women and children behind. I believe that these men are being sent to other countries for a purpose, and that is to become militants in the new country, and take it over when possible. I am totally in favor of helping actual refugees who live in a country that has been decimated by war; but that seems not to be what is happening right now. All of the supposed refugees seem to be in good physical condition, well dressed, and very aggressive. Where they have been allowed, the crime rates of things like rape and even murder have gone up tremendously, as well as gang-related violence. We should not allow this to happen in our own country, even when it means turning people away.
Posted by Happyflowerlady on 07-09-2017
wallet

I disagree with letting migrant refugees in

I do understand very well the efforts to protect refugees around the world that depends on grasping many issues, from the meaning of "protection," to the complexities of aid distribution. But let's face it, letting these people in our countries we made it worse. They are violent people and nothing will change their character. We let the refugee in the Europe and among them, the terrorists came and killed so many innocent people, this is not right and I hope the governments will stop them!
Posted by wallet on 07-09-2017
MatejaBogunovic

Get them out!!

Listen i consider myself a tolerable person and i think all human beings deserve basic rights, when the migrants passed thru my country i was felling sorry for them. The ones that wanted a new life continued to EU because they really have nothing in our country(Serbia) , but the ones that stayed were drug dealers and alcoholic addicts who did nothing but ruined the parks they where camping at.They ruined a entire generation whit their drugs!
Posted by MatejaBogunovic on 08-22-2017
Madhava

It's all about the numbers

The entire problem with this current waves of refugees and economic migrants is the sheer number of mainly Muslim males traveling to the EU. Would any other place in the world allow one million to travel there ever year? It is not sustainable for the people that already live there.

There is still large unemployment problems in some EU countries so adding more people to this will make everyone poorer. It will increased the number of people on benefits which will make more EU citizens hate the migrants.

Also we should be pressing Muslims to go to Muslim countries it is as much their responsibility as it is ours. Also not to mention what about sending refugees over to America which only lets in like less then 100k a year and around 40k of that is from Muslim countries. Why is the EU alone in this?

Posted by Madhava on 08-23-2017

Comments

kgord
Honestly, I am not sure. I doubt that refugees are committing lots of crimes. I think that there needs to be a happy medium between letting in refugees willy nilly and also protecting a certain way of life. It i just one of the things we need.
Posted by kgord on 07-08-2017
Corzhens
I think it depends on the kind of refugees because not all hungry people will steal food. I have seen a devastated place where the hungry people were still civil and trying their best to be decent in their actions. Those refugees need home and that is the reason why they left their country. But in fairness to the government, think of the resources that those refugees will consume if they are let in. The government is just protecting its citizens.
Posted by Corzhens on 10-28-2018
Agha Jamal
Well, I certainly agree that there are economic refugees in them as well and possible terrorists disguised as refugees also. But, the West itself is responsible for opening this pandora's box and now the whole refugee crisis has made Europe bicker among itself. To contain the situation I would suggest that the refugees go through a certain screening process but no country should be exempt from contribution to solve this issue. The Middle East countries are a serious disappointment as none are taking in refugees from their neighboring countries. Shame on them!
Posted by Agha Jamal on 07-08-2017
freebird37
I feel the plight of these people if they are escaping from their homeland and trying to save their families because of some sort of atrocity that's happening. But when only men come and when they get here or other countries and they commit crimes and don't contribute to society but take from it, then it becomes a problem and I say send them back. The whole world is in turmoil at this point and it may not be such a bad idea to stop them from entering or sending them back when they get here. If a family is here or even the head of a family that is contributing to his family back home and is being a useful member of society, I think there should be exceptions made. I guess that can be hard to do though, sifting through all that information.
Posted by freebird37 on 07-08-2017
lordrenly
This is one of the issues I would like to stay neutral to because while I do see the argument that those refugees need to find better place to live and those goals can be achieved by going to safer countries, I can also see the arguments in the opposite direction that refugees, especially the ones that are not properly "filtered"can be a problem for the countries and it has been proven true in Europe. I think the solution right now is to create a good but humane screening process and wait and see how that one will influence the refugee crisis.
Posted by lordrenly on 07-09-2017
Corzhens
I am a Filipino and I know that a lot of my countrymen are in the US as illegal immigrants. That is a sad fact. But my view on refugees is on the contrary. The citizenry who pays taxes are burdened with the influx of refugees because the country has to take care of them, feed them, give them shelter, provide them with jobs, etc. And all those expenses are charged to the government. What if we don't have refugees? Then there would be no extra expenses. And worse, some of the refugees become a liability of the society as they cannot adjust to the culture. I have seen the refugee camp in Mandaluyong in the 1970s where they were processing the Vietnamese refugees that eventually were brought to the US. Some of those Vietnamese have gone crazy maybe due to the trauma they had experienced.
Posted by Corzhens on 07-09-2017
overcast
I think the issue with migrants coming in is that countries around may face issues. That resources vs the people is going to be there. Liberal people are not aware of this problem. And they are not being part of the solution either. And that is what makes you wonder if the migrants refugees issue is meant to be solved on liberal view. I think migrants are meant to be stayed at the border and not in the city. This way things can be controlled.
Posted by overcast on 07-09-2017
zeedollar
Nobody wants to stay in a country that has been ravaged by war. Even if a good amount of these immigrants are from peaceful states, a larger portion of the migrants population are trying to save their lives by escaping their war ravaged homes and keeping them out looks unfair. Just put your self in their shoes, would you rather the door be shut in your face?
Posted by zeedollar on 07-09-2017
arachnophobik
This is really sad and really made me look at the situation differently. I've always been more into "help those people because they need you now more than ever", but you've made valid points. It sucks that the wrongdoings of others have made the innocents take the blame when all they did was try to save themselves and their children. It's a cruel, cruel world that we live in. My stand on this is that everyone should pitch in. Not in terms of money, but taking the immigrants. Every country feels sorry for those who've lost their children and felt that Europe has such a kind heart for letting them in, but nobody else is trying to help Europe.
Posted by arachnophobik on 07-09-2017
lilac123
My country has accepted a lot of refugees in recent years and I honestly don't have much of a problem with it thus far. However, I know the situation in Europe is quite different from my country and I have heard a lot about the social unrest and crimes caused by this influx of immigrants. In my country, the presence of these refugees goes relatively unnoticed so I don't particularly mind. Many of them are grateful to have found a new home and are working to become contributing members of society, and as long as they are respectful of this country's laws and customs, then I have no problem with it.
Posted by lilac123 on 07-09-2017
reginafalange
This is a very difficult topic. I know many people need help because they can have a safe decent life in their homelands due to the war. Of course, as everything, there are bad people that take advantage of this situation to get into European countries and do their bad things. This affects the view that everybody has about the refugees and somehow is not fair to blame these people for the bad behavior of a few. I think the governments should have better politics to track them while they are in the process of integrating into the new society as this adaption phase can be difficult. It's a tough situation, but people need help and we shouldn't turn our head away from it.
Posted by reginafalange on 07-09-2017
Okaviator
I think that refugees should only be allowed into a safe country if they are fleeing war. However, if they just want to travel to a new country to case violence then I would say "kick them out". Hopefully this answered your question. Cheers!
Posted by Okaviator on 07-09-2017
vinaya
Don't get me wrong. I am not a homophebic. However, talk from experience. There is a great problem in letting refugees in your home country. In the 1990s there was in influx of Bhutanese refugees in Nepal. Even after many years of negotation, Bhutan did not accept these refugees as its countrymen. later, these refugees had to be settled in the US and Nepal. Bhutanese refugges created a great problem for my home country.
Posted by vinaya on 07-09-2017
DanoCath
There is always pros and cons in everything. Because of human instincts for survival, they sometimes commit things that are beyond societies acceptance, but this is a human nature. We humans are sinners, let's not choose to blame people, they're just trying to survive, we are all trying to survive in this world. Refugees from war need help, they're maybe at fault of country's crime increase, this all because this is the only way they think they can do in order to survive. But if just one person would lend a helping hand I guess the story might be different. Let's not generalize people, maybe let's just try to help them.
Posted by DanoCath on 08-29-2017
babyright
Allowing migrant refugees into European country is a good way to help other fellow humans that have been affected by war or other calamities in their own country. The only time they can refuse is if they find out that those coming to their country as refugees are not affected by war or they don't face any seroius challenge in their country to make them come as refugees to the European country.
Posted by babyright on 09-06-2017
lovely
I am a big fan of helping the helpless but some persons are taking privileges as a right and most times absolutely abusing the help rendered by the host country.I would advocate that instead of punishing offenders with the innocents, can they be punished individually?.In every gathering they must be a Judas and the best bet is to get the Judas out.So those seeking assistance should be helped but those taking advantage of the system must be shown the way out and that's it.
Posted by lovely on 09-08-2017
jyy
I think there should be an attempt to fix things in the people's homeland. I mean, most of them are coming in desperation, so it's not as many right-wing politicians would have it. Also, this whole situation is the same as with the Mexican thing in the US. In other words, things are bad there, the result of international misdeeds, so many find it in their best interest, and often with little choice, to come to the United States.
Posted by jyy on 09-10-2017
Heatman
There is a saying that goes this way, " In every 12, there will always be a Judas", so therefore I see it as totally wrong thing to deny refuges entrance and support because of the Judas that might exist among them. This is not right and completely inhuman should any country do it. What I would recommend is keep a watchful eye on any refuge that is suspected to pose any kind of threat to the country that took them in.
Posted by Heatman on 09-28-2017
joey98
If just all countries will embrace the issue and regulate it, immigrant are going to pass no matter what, and criminals are taking full advantage of the situation, all most of European countries are chickening out, except for Germany and the integration of Syrian refugees.
Posted by joey98 on 10-02-2017
Barida
Migrants ain't doing the movement because of a better economy in their country, but it is as a result of the fact that their governments failed them. That is the major reason we have migrant from one country to another is as a result of this. So, I wish we accommodate the migrants especially the good ones.
Posted by Barida on 10-04-2017
NickJ
I think people who migrate from one country to the next might come with scars. Many countries around the world have been touched and plagued by war. Er go, when their citizens arrive elsewhere, they might have PTSD or other mental issues as a result of the things they've seen. If they cannot shake those mental terrors, their behavior might take a turn for the worse.
Posted by NickJ on 01-17-2018
jaymish
I personally don't think that anyone would travel miles from their own Country to someone else's Country to steal. I think that these are conspiracy theories spread by the right. I think all refugees want is a better life. We all have a moral obligation to take care of them, especially because some of our Countries support regimes that lead to these wars and circumstances. Some Countries host millions of refugees in camps. The host countries are also poor and have refugees competing with the needs of their local population. Yet I never see this local population really complain.
Posted by jaymish on 12-16-2018